to interact more at the highest levels of government, given where they might be coming from. with governor romney, given his background and his view toward the efficient organization, he will probably come in, take a look at it, do the metrics, run the numbers, bring in the consultants and tell him what works and what doesn't. >> it better not be the bain people. [laughter] >> he has a huge opportunity, let me just say this, a reform- minded president, as you would hope governor romney would be, if elected, because i am not sure that obama is interested in this, or he would have moved in this direction. so we have a 20th century construct in the 21st century.